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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Please click on the appropriate question to hopefully find an answer that helps you.The responses given here are for and by hobbyists not horologists, and reflect pragmatic and real life answers to some of the questions we are most commonly asked. If you can’t find the answer to your question here please feel free to contact us by email at clockinfo@workclocks.co.uk and we will try to help where we can.
	Time 
	Recorders were solidly built for heavy usage in an industrial environment, 
	utilising solid oak and brass in their construction. Consequently they have 
	lasted many decades in the work environment and beyond. 
	
	As 
	the U.K. was a heavily industrialised nation in the past with thousands of 
	factories, there are a substantial number of time recorders still around 
	today, effectively reducing the value of the more common models. 
	
	eBay 
	is a good place to a get a feel for the prices that they can achieve. Use 
	“Time Recorder” as your search string under the category of “Antiques”. You 
	will see many Time Recorders advertised there with high “buy it now” prices, 
	but in reality these are very seldom achieved.
	Using 
	the filters on the left of the screen, under the last section designated 
	“Show Only” tick the “Sold Items” box. This will show you the prices 
	actually achieved, giving you a better idea of current market value.
	For 
	most models of time recorders the serial number gives the best indication to 
	its date of manufacture. Where our research has found specific information 
	for manufacturers relating serial numbers to dates (ITR and Gledhill-Brook), 
	or found any other helpful information, it has been included on a ‘Dating’ 
	page for that manufacturer. Another guide would be to find a photograph of a 
	time recorder on the website similar to your own which generally gives an 
	approximate date of birth. 
	
Original time recorder winding keys do turn up 
	on eBay from time to time. There are also many suitable substitute keys 
	available, it is a simple task to source a cheap alternative on eBay. Here 
	are some that we have used on our machines:
Bundy Key Recorders, and early ITR machines:       
	No. 9 key, 4.5mm
Later ITR machines:                                                    
	7mm square utility key
National, Blick, BTR:                                                    
	No. 13 key, 5.5mm
Where can I get cards for my Time Recorder?
There are no cards currently in print that will 
	fit antique or vintage time recorders. Old stock does appear on Ebay 
	occasionally. If you can obtain a card, it shouldn`t be too difficult to 
	scan it, and then print it actual size onto the heaviest card your printer 
	will support, cut and trim to size.  
The suspension spring is missing or broken - what size 
	replacement do I need?
Dimensions are not critical within a few mm, 
	some of the more common ones:
National, Blick, BTR
Width: 
	                                                                                                             
	7mm
Overall Vertical Length: 
	                                                                                
	59mm
Distance between upper mounting hole and 
	pendulum hook cross pin:     
	43mm
Overall Vertical Length: 
	                                                                                
	35mm
Distance between upper mounting hole and 
	pendulum hook cross pin:     
	20mm
Width: 
	                                                                                                             
	10mm
Overall Vertical Length: 
	                                                                                
	42mm
Distance between upper mounting pin and 
	pendulum hook cross pin:       
	30mm
Suspension springs can be sourced from a number 
	of clock parts suppliers on the internet, or self- fabricated from 0.15mm 
	spring steel, available from the same suppliers
	The clock will require regulation after replacement of the
	
	
	suspension spring.
Where can I get a key to open the door?
Keys to the cabinet door were frequently 
	separated from the time recorder, probably because they often remained in a 
	drawer in the wages office, when the clock was decommissioned. 
	
The locks and keys are no longer in production. 
	It is possible to get flat steel key blanks, and we have heard of people 
	filing their own keys, but we have no direct experience of this.
Gledhill Brook time recorders didn`t use flat 
	steel keys, and again replacement GB cabinet keys are not currently 
	sourceable.
Where can I get a new print ribbon for my Time 
	Recorder?
Currently we know of only two sources for 1” 
	black inked time recorder ribbon in the U.K.
Here are the links:
	
	http://www.thetypewriterman.co.uk/supplies.html
	
	https://theinkjetstore.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=93
You will need to wind these onto your existing 
	time recorder's bobbins as they are supplied on plastic spools.
Where can I get a service manual for my Time 
	Recorder?
Most Time Recorder manufacturers and their 
	distributors sought to gain ongoing revenue by establishing service and 
	maintenance contracts with their customers. 
	
 If 
	service manuals had been released, they could have been used by third 
	parties to compete against the manufacturer/distributor for these lucrative 
	contracts. Naturally, this was not a preferred option for the manufacturer.
No doubt there existed internal engineering 
	notes for manufacture and service, but to date, none have surfaced. 
	
There is an exception to this for some ITR 
	(International Time Recorders) models. This is because they subsequently 
	became IBM, and some of the ITR installation and set-up notes were retained 
	in the IBM historical archive. These are available on the workclocks site, 
	under ITR, sub menu Documents: 
	ITR Documents
There are 1001 reasons why your time recorder may not 
	be working. Assuming it is in a generally good condition, some of the most 
	common reasons a newly acquired or existing clock may not be working are:
1) Broken suspension spring - 
	this is the spring steel leaf spring which the pendulum is suspended from, 
	and which allows it to swing. Please see the question about broken 
	suspension springs above.
2) The crutch wire is not 
	located in the slot in the pendulum stick - the crutch wire is attached to 
	the escapement and provides impetus to the pendulum to keep it swinging. 
	(Fusee movements - the pendulum is not located in the crutch fork)
3) Alignment. If the time 
	recorder has been transported or re-located recently, use a spirit level on 
	its side and front and adjust its position to ensure that machine is 
	perfectly level. 
4) Dust, dirt and oil in the 
	clock mechanism can accumulate and generate enough friction to stop the 
	clock. Please see the question below.
How do I clean the clock and 
	stamp mechanisms?
Ideally the 
	clock mechanism should be completely stripped, cleaned and reassembled, but 
	this should only be carried out by a competent clock repairer using the 
	correct tools. Time recorder mainsprings are very powerful and can cause
	serious injury 
	if released without control. We understand however that for many reasons 
	this may not be practical or viable.
A good 
	second option is to clean the complete assembled mechanism in a solvent bath 
	with a soft paint brush. Although not ideal, it will help considerably. 
	White spirit will do the job, and there are professional clock cleaning 
	fluids like Horolene etc. which will provide a bright finish to the brass, 
	but which are considerably more expensive.
	
	 
	Let 
	the solvent dry and then apply some clock oil to the pivot points using a 
	darning needle to carry the oil. The pivot points are where the pivot shafts 
	enter the brass facings. Always oil sparingly, and never oil the gear teeth.
	
	 
	Time 
	Stamp mechanism - remove the ink ribbon from the time stamping mechanism and 
	then clean and oil as above.
	
	1) Stop the clock
	2) Slacken off the 
	screws in the links that connect the rods from the clock to the mechanism
	3) Using paper or card 
	in the card holder, print out the time that the mechanism is set to 
	4) Moving the minute 
	hand clockwise, adjust the clock time to match the printed-out time 
	5) Re-tighten the screws
	6) The printed-out time 
	should now follow the time on the clock when it runs
	7) 
	To set the correct day, you can simply advance the 
	clock hands further until the day or 12-hour (AM/PM) period matches the 
	current day/time period. Alternatively advance the days on the stamping 
	mechanism by repeatedly moving the lever, or lift button, associated with 
	day advance. These will be different for each manufacturer, for example 
	National and Blick time recorders have a lever at the top of the dial fascia 
	which will advance the day display drum and stamp mechanism. International 
	Time Recorders will have a day lift button, or day lever (dependant on age 
	and model), on the top of the time stamp mechanism. Gledhill Brook time 
	recorders have a lever at the top right of the mechanism which sometimes has 
	a push wire, that can be operated to advance the day stamp wheel
We are certain most competent clock repairers 
	would be able to service your time recorder.
There is a company in Braintree Essex which has 
	advertised the fact that they have repaired a time recorder. We have not 
	used their services, so can neither recommend, nor otherwise comment.
	
	
	https://www.braintreeclockrepairs.co.uk/2018/03/27/national-time-recorder-clock-repair/
Can you give any advice on electrically driven time recorders?
This website is dedicated to mechanically driven (clockwork) recorders only.
While we do have a little knowledge of the various electrical systems employed by manufacturers to drive their time recorders (either by DC pulses from a master clock or directly by an AC motor), we strongly advise that a qualified electrician is employed to carry out any work or consulted before any electrical connection is made.
Further information regarding electrical 
			  clock systems can be found by following the links on the following 
			  page: Links