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A Reference Site for UK Mechanical Industrial Time Recorders |
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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Please click on the appropriate question to hopefully find an answer that helps you.The responses given here are for and by hobbyists not horologists, and reflect pragmatic and real life answers to some of the questions we are most commonly asked. If you can’t find the answer to your question here please feel free to contact us by email at clockinfo@workclocks.co.uk and we will try to help where we can.
Time
Recorders were solidly built for heavy usage in an industrial environment,
utilising solid oak and brass in their construction. Consequently they have
lasted many decades in the work environment and beyond.
As
the U.K. was a heavily industrialised nation in the past with thousands of
factories, there are a substantial number of time recorders still around
today, effectively reducing the value of the more common models.
eBay
is a good place to a get a feel for the prices that they can achieve. Use
“Time Recorder” as your search string under the category of “Antiques”. You
will see many Time Recorders advertised there with high “buy it now” prices,
but in reality these are very seldom achieved.
Using
the filters on the left of the screen, under the last section designated
“Show Only” tick the “Sold Items” box. This will show you the prices
actually achieved, giving you a better idea of current market value.
For
most models of time recorders the serial number gives the best indication to
its date of manufacture. Where our research has found specific information
for manufacturers relating serial numbers to dates (ITR and Gledhill-Brook),
or found any other helpful information, it has been included on a ‘Dating’
page for that manufacturer. Another guide would be to find a photograph of a
time recorder on the website similar to your own which generally gives an
approximate date of birth.
Original time recorder winding keys do turn up
on eBay from time to time. There are also many suitable substitute keys
available, it is a simple task to source a cheap alternative on eBay. Here
are some that we have used on our machines:
Bundy Key Recorders, and early ITR machines:
No. 9 key, 4.5mm
Later ITR machines:
7mm square utility key
National, Blick, BTR:
No. 13 key, 5.5mm
Where can I get cards for my Time Recorder?
There are no cards currently in print that will
fit antique or vintage time recorders. Old stock does appear on Ebay
occasionally. If you can obtain a card, it shouldn`t be too difficult to
scan it, and then print it actual size onto the heaviest card your printer
will support, cut and trim to size.
The suspension spring is missing or broken - what size
replacement do I need?
Dimensions are not critical within a few mm,
some of the more common ones:
National, Blick, BTR
Width:
7mm
Overall Vertical Length:
59mm
Distance between upper mounting hole and
pendulum hook cross pin:
43mm
Overall Vertical Length:
35mm
Distance between upper mounting hole and
pendulum hook cross pin:
20mm
Width:
10mm
Overall Vertical Length:
42mm
Distance between upper mounting pin and
pendulum hook cross pin:
30mm
Suspension springs can be sourced from a number
of clock parts suppliers on the internet, or self- fabricated from 0.15mm
spring steel, available from the same suppliers
The clock will require regulation after replacement of the
suspension spring.
Where can I get a key to open the door?
Keys to the cabinet door were frequently
separated from the time recorder, probably because they often remained in a
drawer in the wages office, when the clock was decommissioned.
The locks and keys are no longer in production.
It is possible to get flat steel key blanks, and we have heard of people
filing their own keys, but we have no direct experience of this.
Gledhill Brook time recorders didn`t use flat
steel keys, and again replacement GB cabinet keys are not currently
sourceable.
Where can I get a new print ribbon for my Time
Recorder?
Currently we know of only two sources for 1”
black inked time recorder ribbon in the U.K.
Here are the links:
http://www.thetypewriterman.co.uk/supplies.html
https://theinkjetstore.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=93
You will need to wind these onto your existing
time recorder's bobbins as they are supplied on plastic spools.
Where can I get a service manual for my Time
Recorder?
Most Time Recorder manufacturers and their
distributors sought to gain ongoing revenue by establishing service and
maintenance contracts with their customers.
If
service manuals had been released, they could have been used by third
parties to compete against the manufacturer/distributor for these lucrative
contracts. Naturally, this was not a preferred option for the manufacturer.
No doubt there existed internal engineering
notes for manufacture and service, but to date, none have surfaced.
There is an exception to this for some ITR
(International Time Recorders) models. This is because they subsequently
became IBM, and some of the ITR installation and set-up notes were retained
in the IBM historical archive. These are available on the workclocks site,
under ITR, sub menu Documents:
ITR Documents
There are 1001 reasons why your time recorder may not
be working. Assuming it is in a generally good condition, some of the most
common reasons a newly acquired or existing clock may not be working are:
1) Broken suspension spring -
this is the spring steel leaf spring which the pendulum is suspended from,
and which allows it to swing. Please see the question about broken
suspension springs above.
2) The crutch wire is not
located in the slot in the pendulum stick - the crutch wire is attached to
the escapement and provides impetus to the pendulum to keep it swinging.
(Fusee movements - the pendulum is not located in the crutch fork)
3) Alignment. If the time
recorder has been transported or re-located recently, use a spirit level on
its side and front and adjust its position to ensure that machine is
perfectly level.
4) Dust, dirt and oil in the
clock mechanism can accumulate and generate enough friction to stop the
clock. Please see the question below.
How do I clean the clock and
stamp mechanisms?
Ideally the
clock mechanism should be completely stripped, cleaned and reassembled, but
this should only be carried out by a competent clock repairer using the
correct tools. Time recorder mainsprings are very powerful and can cause
serious injury
if released without control. We understand however that for many reasons
this may not be practical or viable.
A good
second option is to clean the complete assembled mechanism in a solvent bath
with a soft paint brush. Although not ideal, it will help considerably.
White spirit will do the job, and there are professional clock cleaning
fluids like Horolene etc. which will provide a bright finish to the brass,
but which are considerably more expensive.
Let
the solvent dry and then apply some clock oil to the pivot points using a
darning needle to carry the oil. The pivot points are where the pivot shafts
enter the brass facings. Always oil sparingly, and never oil the gear teeth.
Time
Stamp mechanism - remove the ink ribbon from the time stamping mechanism and
then clean and oil as above.
1) Stop the clock
2) Slacken off the
screws in the links that connect the rods from the clock to the mechanism
3) Using paper or card
in the card holder, print out the time that the mechanism is set to
4) Moving the minute
hand clockwise, adjust the clock time to match the printed-out time
5) Re-tighten the screws
6) The printed-out time
should now follow the time on the clock when it runs
7)
To set the correct day, you can simply advance the
clock hands further until the day or 12-hour (AM/PM) period matches the
current day/time period. Alternatively advance the days on the stamping
mechanism by repeatedly moving the lever, or lift button, associated with
day advance. These will be different for each manufacturer, for example
National and Blick time recorders have a lever at the top of the dial fascia
which will advance the day display drum and stamp mechanism. International
Time Recorders will have a day lift button, or day lever (dependant on age
and model), on the top of the time stamp mechanism. Gledhill Brook time
recorders have a lever at the top right of the mechanism which sometimes has
a push wire, that can be operated to advance the day stamp wheel
We are certain most competent clock repairers
would be able to service your time recorder.
There is a company in Braintree Essex which has
advertised the fact that they have repaired a time recorder. We have not
used their services, so can neither recommend, nor otherwise comment.
https://www.braintreeclockrepairs.co.uk/2018/03/27/national-time-recorder-clock-repair/
Can you give any advice on electrically driven time recorders?
This website is dedicated to mechanically driven (clockwork) recorders only.
While we do have a little knowledge of the various electrical systems employed by manufacturers to drive their time recorders (either by DC pulses from a master clock or directly by an AC motor), we strongly advise that a qualified electrician is employed to carry out any work or consulted before any electrical connection is made.
Further information regarding electrical
clock systems can be found by following the links on the following
page: Links